ICA and IMMGRATION problem
 

Ok i'm not sure where else i can turn to for help on this and I'm kind of out of ideas so i hope bros here can help me out if anyone knows

Heres the situtation

I was planning to marry my fiance who is China nationality here in Singapore and for the past 2 years i have been attempting to apply for her to come. First time she was here she extended her passport for 1 months, which makes her stay here 2 months in total. After that when she attempt to get another visa to come in, it turns out that she is unable to do so due to unknown reasons given by ica

After that she attempted and successfully applied for a work visa here in singapore but she left after 2 weeks without getting her work permit.

Here is the irony
After countless visits and times that i visited ICA, finally i gave up and applied ROM　for her and the reason was known to me why her application on her ICA failed. Its because her address in China was changed from one part to the other of China, thus resulting in irregularity in her address and data.

Ok so after discussion with ICA, they finally agree, after I talked to the highest person incharge, that she is allowed to come to singapore to explain herself on why there is a change in her address details.

So finally she is about to arrive....but during some point in time after the second visit, she managed to get herself a second different passport,without me knowing, to allow her to enter into Singapore and when she attempted to enter singapore a few days ago with her original passport, she was detained and found out on the second passport. She is lucky to be deported as she deny the existance of the passport itself and now I have no idea where i can turn to to ask for advice on this issue.

I can handle the ica portion but with this secondary passport its almost like a death sentence.

Is it possible to apply to MP to ask for a compassionate and leniency and allow her to come into singapore to get married? Or am i left with no other option as i know its legally illegal as she entered singapore illegally.

We are seriously into this relationship but somehow ICA and immigration isn't really making the things easy for us and i do hope some bros here can help the both of us out by giving us some advices....thank you

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First of all, ICA and Immigration is the same. It's not 2 different authorities.

Next what is it that you want? To marry her? Then go to China to marry her. Problem solved.

But if your intention is for her to come into Singapore, the MP can and will be compassionate and lenient. But unfortunately, the MP is not the one to issue a visa. It's still ICA's perogative.

Now you said she has used a different passport. I assume you mean a fake passport, right? That is considered a crime. Whether major or minor depends on ICA. You can always speaks to the top man since you have already met him, and asked him for advice. If he says no, it means no. Period.

Now, other than the technical part.

How well do you know this PRC girl?

You met her when she was first here, get involved with her and want to marry her? Tried work permit, she came but went back after 2 weeks.

I'm just wondering what the fuck she was here for and who she was with on the time she came with a fake passport WITHOUT you knowing.

This girl is honest to you? Or are you going to "help" find some excuses for her "secret trip" here?

You should try Thai girls. At least if they bluff you, you will know.

My 2 baht worth
Tee Vee

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[QUOTE=AhNiu^_^;4195479]Ok i'm not sure where else i can turn to for help on this and I'm kind of out of ideas so i hope bros here can help me out if anyone knows

Heres the situtation


You love her ? I am sure.... but for now . She love you ? I don't think so.

She is doing things and hiding things from u. 2nd passport ? I'm sure there will be a 3rd and 4th passport if she can get away with the 2nd passport.

Many PRC and SG men also go to MPs but to no avail . MP is not king.

It will be a very good blessing for you if u do not marry her. She will go with other men soon, even if u marry her. When she do all those bad things to you, you will then ask yourself, why you fall in love with her . Kana gong tow ?

You must be thinking to yourself, you have finally found someone u love, found true love, right ? She look very innocent ...very good girl . But she is planning and doing a lot of things, which of course she won't tell you .

Please think carefully whether u want to marry her. Now still got time to save yourself.

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She sounds like a crook to me!:eek: Why on earth would you want to marry such a dishonest person. :confused:

Goodness knows what else she's going to fake after she's married.:p

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Now you said she has used a different passport. I assume you mean a fake passport, right? That is considered a crime. Whether major or minor depends on ICA. You can always speaks to the top man since you have already met him, and asked him for advice. If he says no, it means no. Period.

actually for this part i knew she came in with a second passport but didn't realise that the situation can be so serious till being rejected and deported back to China.

The reason why she applied for the second passport is that her first passport was rejected due to irregularitys found during her work permit applied( The problem for this one is, as i didn't mention properly in my thread, the agents there in a attempt to get her back into singapore signed her passport from Shenyang to Tianjing, thus creating the irregularity).

Part of the reason she came back mostly is to look for me on the second passport I guess, if nothing else i'm the one who caused the problem, if she never met me, she would not have tried all sorts of way to come back. Irregardless of what people says on China woman being faithful or not is up to individual. For me, Singapore woman can be more vindictive then China woman, if divorce ending is the same way, 1/2 your assets belong to her, which doesn't makes much of a difference either way, be it she being a China nationality or a Singapore nationality. Thus is why my decision to marry her irregardless of who/what/advice that people gave as i believed too much in people but not whats in my heart. No one is perfect, but no one is bad too, and this relationship has been maintained either me going up or her coming down or phone calls from both ways for 2 1/2 years.

So thanks for bros suggestions and i do hope more infos can come in to help so that i can help process her through asap.

Thanks again to Thaivisitor and hoppnet

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dun fake organism can liao ....... :p

anyway bro TS, this is a gone case, she will never be able to enter singapore liao, unless she change her fingerprints too, if you really love her that much just migrate to china, marry her and settle down there :rolleyes:

my 2 cents worth

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You mean such a major issue about changing to another passport, she never let you know? She got something to hide in the first passport is it?

You better take a good look at her again, my friend. This girl din tell you everything.

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here a thought..
marry her in china..
solve your headache

but if i am going to be honest..
i say get rid off now..
not worth your time...

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u mean the 2nd passport is the same name same person or is other people passport?

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Braddah, that scene got too many red flags and too complicated already. I think you should not be rush to get married unless you are sure you know what you are doing. You are going to great extremes to help some girl who lied to you.

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Ever heard before they do know such tricks and have machines to determined thru eye balls! :eek:

Unless we are able to change that too, if not, its a no way thru kind of thing. End of day, its only hearsay cos we will never know since we will not be deported by them.

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In the 1st place,why is she attempting 2 enter sg with another passport w/o telling u ??

Hw could u said tat ICA isn't making things easy 4 u, aft wat she has done ?

It would be veri surprising if yr MP k realli help u ...

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Bro AhNiu^_^, sorry to hear this. It is illegal to have 2 passports, there is a slim chance that she is allowed to come back here again, maybe in 2 or 3 years time, perhaps. I'm not sure why she wants to use the 2nd passport, and it is her mistake (not yours) for allowing herself to commit fraud.

Be strong, and all the best to you. :)

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Boss, you missed this one.:D
"Advice" is a non countable noun; you do not add an "s" to make it plural.

"Advice" is like "Rice". You say... "Please pass me the Rice." You don't say "Please pass me the rices" because "Rice", like "advice", is a non countable noun.

There are many other examples. To test your knowledge of non countable nouns, go to English Language Quiz - Countable or Non-countable Nouns (I-TESL-J) and take the test.

Cheers
Tee Vee:D

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Unfotunately, I was right.:rolleyes:

Cheers
Tee Vee

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The matter is simple. If you try to cheat ICA and kanna caught, there's nothing you can complain about. Just wait for the punishment ;)

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Different person

I know alot of bros disagree with this relationship and most don't approve of me sinking deeper to help her. I can't say more to agree or disagree with anyone else as everyones thinking has been set. But all i'm asking for is some advices and help so that i can solve the current problem infront as I'm really out of ideas now.

Thank you for all the feed back and hope more can come in to help

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"Advice" is a non countable noun; you do not add an "s" to make it plural.

"Advice" is like "Rice". You say... "Please pass me the Rice." You don't say "Please pass me the rices" because "Rice", like "advice", is a non countable noun.

There are many other examples. To test your knowledge of non countable nouns, go to English Language Quiz - Countable or Non-countable Nouns (I-TESL-J) and take the test.

Cheers
Tee Vee

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haha, since when you took over his job?

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bro ah niu the very reason/advice given by fellow bros is that the chance of yr gal coming to singapore again is totally zich/zero.reason very simple ICA take s a very stringent stance on immigration cheats eg duplicate paspots,offence in singapore and such.Somehow yr gal took a chance by entering singapore with "another" paspot and was caught.hence it is an offence.therefore bros here knows by experience that it will be an almost impossible chance again.
even if you are with her .she is barred maybe for life from entering singapore. do you want to have a chasing/long ditance relationship whereby you only can see her the nearest say JB or batam which are closes to singapore.it will be a very exhausting both pyhsically and monetarily for you which will drain you in a few months. just my humble tots here. best you weigh yr options and not be govern by emotions. good luck !

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Even Miss China's pussy isn't worth all that trouble. :rolleyes:

My advice would be to simply get some other PRC twat... someone that hasn't been caught messing with the immigration authorities.

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Hi, Just quick question. Is ICA will find out if somebody using two passport. And how do they found it. Note that these two passports are real not fake one Thanks

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TS, i think any counter gal at the ICA know ur gal much much better than u do...wif one eyes closed. Ur case is much worst than Fake Marriage. Ur case is call "ganna sold, still help to count money for them".

Ur gal is stupid. U r not smart either.

I say wad i hav to say, but still i hav to apologise for my rude words.

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It IS possible to have 2 legitimate passports issued to a PRC under special circumstances........ but normally they will only use the one issued by the central government for overseas travel.

For those born in the rural countryside in the far away provinces....... they sometimes are not registered in the official household register of the county government........ when these people need to study or work in another province they will be issued with passports in liu of household identification papers....... and if they apply for another passport through these universities or companies to Beijing for overseas travel purposes...... they will be issued with another passport by Beijing government. :D

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Your description relates to the process of justification in administrative/official visits out of China. TS's girl is obviously attempting to impersonate another person's identity. The punishment for imposting is heavy even in China. She is lucky to be just deported from Singapore, in TS's words. However, I am sure even TS do not understand the weight of what she had done.

In normal circumstances, MPs work between policies and regulation and focus in finding evidences supporting exceptions. In this case, it is blatantly obvious. Even 3 years bar may not be enough, probably lifetime. The ICA din set up an individual ID-ing system for no reason.

Bro TS, if you need to marry her fast, the only way is to go there and marry her. Otherwise, its gonna be a long wait.

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For the answer, why don't you check with ICA? You think bros here know the answer? If they do, ICA no need to cari makan.

Cheers
Tee Vee

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Let me try and answer that.

The ICA has a surrogate who is always on duty. He/she may look like a regular bored immigration officer waiting to knock off, but in actual fact that is C3PO in disguise. C3PO is trained to identify all PRC, VN, TH girls on sight and correlate with their first identity used to enter Singapore. The US has biometrics, our govt prefers a more subtle approach to ID all visitors.

Remember the story about the planeload of VN girls being sent back when they arrived at changi? Sources say that it was becos our C3PO had a wrong oil bath on the previous night and as a result was having a hydraulic diarrhea that day...so, sorry mamas off you go.

A question back to you. You seriously think that in today's technology, a visitor can use another person's ID to enter any country? That immigration will just check your face and say, hmmmmm you do look like that face in the passport, ok run along....???

Like what bro thaivisitor say, if anyone of us knows, they dun need to cari makan already. But dun assume that they are stupid lo.

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Calling calling for any SBF bros here who work in ICA to come out and explain to us here.
come out come out where ever you are. why! shy shy here huh ,no need to be shy leh we all ok type here .

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Just a random thought.
Technology is really advance nowdays.Enter any country i dunno...but Dun be surprise.

Is how the person dig the loopholes to do it.

Mix wid the correct type of people is a one of the factor to gain insight.Not always workable tho.

Eg:I believe u know there are ppl that "jump aeroplane", how they leave a certain country in a safe manner? Then how come there are ppl that appear in some country, when in actual fact> there's no records of them entering that country?

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Bro TV , care to elaborate ?
How to tell if a Thai girl is bluffing?
They are usually polite and always say ค่ะ(kha), that sometimes I can't even tell if the answer is yes or no.