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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ePW4kTiGffY&feature=share

Watch it before Garment or LHL claimed its CG or LKY not in right mind during the interview. Fast forward to 4min onwards if need be

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High Court dismisses Tan Cheng Bock's legal challenge on elected presidency



JOANNA SEOW, THE STRAITS TIMES


Jul 08, 2017 06:00 am
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The High Court ruled yesterday that Parliament has the right to start counting from the term of former president Wee Kim Wee for purposes of reserving the upcoming presidential election for Malay candidates.

The reason is that the Constitution does not restrict Parliament to consider only presidents elected by Singapore citizens when deciding the timing of an election for a racial group, said Justice Quentin Loh.

It also allows the term of a president elected by Parliament, in this case Mr Wee, to be included in the five terms needed to trigger a reserved election.

Justice Loh made this key point yesterday when dismissing a legal challenge brought by former presidential candidate Tan Cheng Bock on the timing and basis of the reserved presidential election for Malays in September.

"From the perspective of ensuring multi-racial representation in the presidency... it makes no difference whether the president was elected by the electorate or by Parliament," he said in a 65-page judgment.

The Constitution was amended last year to allow elections to be reserved for candidates from a particular community, if no one from that community had been president in the past five terms.


The Government counted the first of the five terms as Mr Wee's term, as he was in office when the elected presidency took effect in 1991. There have been four other terms since, ending with current President Tony Tan Keng Yam.

Dr Tan said this was unconstitutional, and that the reserved election should take place in 2023 at the earliest and not this year.

His lawyer, Senior Counsel Chelva Retnam Rajah said Mr Wee's term should not be counted. He cited parts of the Constitution that referred to the president as someone elected by the citizens and serving a six-year term.

Mr Wee, he said, was elected by Parliament and served two four-year terms. This means Parliament can start its count only from the term of Mr Ong Teng Cheong, the first popularly elected president, he added.

Deputy Attorney-General Hri Kumar Nair, representing the Government, argued the articles in the Constitution on the reserved election did not specifically exclude presidents elected by Parliament. This means Parliament has "full discretion" to take into account Mr Wee's term, he added.

Justice Loh ruled the Constitution does not specify that only a popularly elected president can be considered in determining when an election should be reserved.

While the Constitution "reflects our prevailing constitutional arrangements at any given time" the over-arching definition of "president" has not changed since it was included in 1980, he said.

This definition, in Article 2, specifies the term "president" means any person elected president under the Constitution. Justice Loh noted the definition was retained through two major constitutional changes to the elected presidency: 1991 and 2017.


continue reading here : http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/hig...ted-presidency


Somehow this decision is not surprising .

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The Lees: Is there a ceasefire?

July 9, 2017

The younger Lee siblings have declared a unilateral ceasefire, provided that “we or our father’s wish are not attacked or misrepresented”. I think not that many Singaporeans are holding their breath that the calm will hold. The ceasefire comes with the sting of even more jibes at Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. He has welcomed the ceasefire but not before making some small jibes himself.

But before we get into all that, I want to digress to an interesting exchange in Parliament between Low Thia Khiang and Emeritus Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong – and point out its relevance to the Lee family squabble.

The Workers Party chairman and MP for Aljunied GRC said his party has given PM Lee the benefit of the doubt on allegations of abuse of power made by Lee Hsien Yang and Lee Wei Ling against their elder brother. The PM has said they were baseless. Declaring that the WP was keeping an open mind, Low said “personally I will not be convinced until the entire allegation is given a convincing or conclusive airing”.

All that was fair and square exchange – until Low hit nearer home and implied that there were double standards here. He said that when he was PM, Goh Chok Tong sued WP politician Tang Liang Hong in 1997: “Does this also show that blood is thicker than water? Own sibling cannot sue…but political opponents, sue until your pants drop?”

Goh immediately replied that Low was indulging in “political sophistry” and that Tang was not his brother anyway. The ex-PM suing Tang then had arguably not caused as much distress as if PM Lee now sues his siblings.

As I understand the phrase, political sophistry means using clever political arguments that sound convincing but are in fact false or potentially false.

Oh dear.

If we dive deeper into all the allegations that have been floated and supposedly dispelled, all the potential political sophistry on either side of the House – and I am referring to Parliament and not necessarily 38 Oxley Road – can get a bit muddling and muddying.

To his credit, PM Lee did not shy away from trying to answer the main allegations – about the setting up of the ministerial committee, the deed of gift and nepotism. He confronted them squarely, as much as he could in the absence of his accusers in Parliament.

The third allegation may well be the sticky and tricky one. The younger Lee siblings have made allegations of nepotism – of the influence of Ho Ching and the dynastic ambitions of their elder brother. But Li Hongyi, PM Lee’s son, has already denied any interest in politics. So that was promptly dealt with.

Still, in the eyes of many Singaporeans, the role of PM Lee’s wife in Temasek Holdings requires more scrutiny and reassurance than that attempted by Lee Hsien Loong in Parliament. His clarification of what Ho Ching could or could not do as CEO appeared fairly innocuous, with the corporate protocol properly defined and, on surface, unchallengeable. In brief, PM Lee said his wife reports to Lim Boon Heng, the Chairman. As a company, Temasek Holdings answers to its shareholder, the Ministry of Finance under Heng Swee Keat, the Finance Minister. PM Lee emphasised that the CEO appointment is made by the Temasek Board and has to be confirmed by the President, who is advised by the Council of Presidential Advisers.


continue reading here : http://www.theindependent.sg/the-lee...e-a-ceasefire/

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Sometimes, how to convince the general public when they get sued for using the fxxk sign pic on others but when the PM's wife uses it, it can be given as an accidental post without any damage? That's really double standard.

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Absurd to say S'poreans link legitimacy of Govt to fate of Oxley Road house, Ambassador to US tells New York Times


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Charissa Yong


SINGAPORE - Singapore's ambassador to the United States has rebutted an article written by the New York Times about the dispute over the late Mr Lee Kuan Yew's house on Oxley Road.

The news article, titled "Family dispute over house of Singapore's founder erupts as national crisis", was published in the New York Times (NYT) on July 4.

It said that Dr Lee Wei Ling and Mr Lee Hsien Yang's allegations against their brother, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, hinted at deeper divisions about Singapore's political future.

The siblings accused their brother of abusing his power to block the demolition of their father's house.

"These charges have transformed what on the surface is an ugly estate battle into a national crisis that has raised questions about how this island nation is governed, the basis of the governing party's uninterrupted 58-year rule and how the country's leaders are chosen," wrote Mr Richard C. Paddock, a Bangkok-based contributor to the NYT.

But in a letter published on Tuesday (July 11), Ambassador Ashok Kumar Mirpuri rejected the article's framing of the Oxley Road dispute.

He wrote that it "promotes the absurd notion that Singaporeans link the legitimacy of their government to the fate of former Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew's house".

Mr Ashok noted that PM Lee made a full statement in Parliament on July 3 in response to accusations by his siblings of abuse of power over the house.

"He explained how he had recused himself from all government decisions concerning the house, and also sold the house to his brother, so that he no longer has any interest or influence over the house," he wrote.

He also noted that "no Member of Parliament made any allegations of impropriety or wrongdoing against the prime minister during the debate".


continue reading here : http://www.straitstimes.com/singapor...-ambassador-to

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Dispute Over Singapore Founder’s House Becomes a National Crisis

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By RICHARD C. PADDOCKJULY 4, 2017


SINGAPORE — Two years after his death, no memorials, statues or streets in Singapore are named after Lee Kuan Yew, who established this city-state as a modern nation and built it into a prosperous showcase for his view that limited political freedoms best suit Asian values.

Now a bitter and public family dispute over the fate of his modest house has shattered Singapore’s image as an orderly authoritarian ideal and hinted at deeper divisions about its political future.

Two of Mr. Lee’s three children have accused their elder brother, the prime minister, of abusing his power to preserve the house against their father’s wishes. The motive, they said, is to shore up his own political legitimacy and ultimately to establish a dynasty for which he is grooming his son.

These charges have transformed what on the surface is an ugly estate battle into a national crisis that has raised questions about how this island nation is governed, the basis of the governing party’s uninterrupted 58-year rule and how the country’s leaders are chosen.

And in a place where criticizing the government can land a blogger in jail, the public airing of these grievances from within the ranks of the revered founding family is nothing short of extraordinary.

“These are allegations of abuse of power, subversion of due process, cronyism and nepotism,” Kirsten Han, an activist and journalist, wrote in a popular blog. “If true, they upend Singapore’s carefully cultivated, squeaky-clean, corruption-free image.

“And, more important for the people of Singapore,” she continued, “they reveal that the ‘A Team,’ who have for decades presented themselves as the best option for the country, are actually using the power the electorate has bestowed upon them for their own personal goals.”

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, 65, has called the accusations “baseless,” and he appeared in a high-stakes performance before a special session of Parliament on Monday and Tuesday to rebut the charges.

“When the dust has settled on this unhappy episode, people must know that the government operates transparently, impartially and properly,” he said on Monday. “That in Singapore, even Mr. Lee’s house and Mr. Lee’s wishes are subject to the rule of law.”


continue reading here : https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/04/w...singapore.html

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5 issues I’d rather have a Ministerial Committee for


Protected July 11th, 2017 | Author: Contributions


Instead of having a Ministerial Committee to try to find loopholes of a Will and try to overturn the Will, I’d rather our high-paying Ministers spend their highly-paid minutes on more important issues that affect the lives of the rest of us Singaporeans and not just focus on the private estate of the Prime Ministers. Here are a couple of Ministerial Committees I can think of:

1.Ministerial Committee on MRT system – to investigate why our MRT system is always breaking down. And to investigate why the new signaling system being tested over the past 3 weeks and causing so much disruption during peak hours when it is obviously not ready for prime time and to investigate who is responsible for approving the tests and if the person should be sacked for gross incompetence.

2.Ministerial Committee on failing HDB lifts – to investigate if the maintenance of our HDB lifts are adequate, given the numerous lift-related accidents, including a snapping of the lift cable. To investigate if the money spent on maintenance was properly used or if there was a lack of oversight in how that maintenance money was spent.

3.Ministerial Committee on inadequate hospital beds – after first reporting in 2014 that Singapore faces a severe shortage of hospital beds, with patients being seen lying on makeshift hospital beds in hospital parking lots, it seems like the shortage still persists. 3 years on and the number of hospital beds per 1000 people in Singapore is at 2.27, lower than most developed economies (Australia 3.9, Japan 12.27, Hong Kong 4.44).

4.Ministerial Committee on how attorney generals are appointed – The current Attorney General Lucien Wong was PM Lee’s personal attorney, does not seem to have experience as a public prosecutor but was appointed at the government’s attorney general. An investigation into the process by which public prosecutors such as the attorney general is appointed should be conducted.

5.Ministerial Committee on cronyism in Singapore – Enough said. We all know: the PM’s wife is the Executive Director of Temasek Holdings, the PM’s brother was the CEO of Singtel and the PM’s sister is the Director of the National Neuroscience Institute. A more comprehensive family tree of just the PM alone – let alone other ministers – can be seen here. Disclaimer: I cannot vouch for the authenticity of the claims, including the family tree, made in that website.



Shawn Lee


continue reading here : http://www.tremeritus.com/2017/07/11...committee-for/

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Tan Cheng Bock to challenge High Court ruling on upcoming reserved Presidential Election


By Faris Mokhtar

Published: 12:16 PM, July 12, 2017

Updated: 12:26 PM, July 12, 2017



SINGAPORE — Former presidential candidate Dr Tan Cheng Bock will appeal the High Court's dismissal of his legal challenge over the upcoming reserved Presidential Election.

"Yes, appealing through my lawyers today," Dr Tan said in a brief reply to TODAY via his spokesman, adding that he will share more details via a Facebook post later on Wednesday (July 12).

Last Friday (July 7), the High Court dismissed the legal challenge mounted by Dr Tan against the Attorney-General's Chambers (AGC) over the timing for the reserved presidential election.

In November last year, various changes were passed in Parliament to the Elected Presidency (EP) scheme, including the triggering of a reserved election for a particular race that has not seen an elected representative for five consecutive terms.

The Government, on the advice of AGC, started counting the five terms from Dr Wee Kim Wee's presidency, forming the basis for the Government to trigger a reserved election for Malay candidates for the coming polls in September.

Filing his legal challenge last month, Dr Tan had taken issue against the AGC's findings that Dr Wee was Singapore's first elected President.



continue reading here : http://www.todayonline.com/singapore...ntial-election


Dr Tan don't waste your time and money on this issue . We all know how this case will end already .

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Do wrong, go soft or don't deliver, and no party machinery will keep PAP in power: K Shanmugam


Throughout his career, Home Affairs and Law Minister K Shanmugam has made a name as a straight talker on a wide range of issues. He goes "On The Record" about how politics has evolved in the almost three decades he has spent as a politician.


By Bharati Jagdish

15 Jul 2017 07:30AM (Updated: 15 Jul 2017 05:19PM)



SINGAPORE: By 2018, Home Affairs and Law Minister K Shanmugam will hit the milestone of having served 30 years in politics, having first won his seat in Parliament for Sembawang GRC in the General Election of 1988.


By 1998, at the age of 38, he was appointed a Senior Counsel of the Supreme Court, one of the youngest lawyers to achieve this. A decade later, Mr Shanmugam joined the Cabinet as Second Minister for Home Affairs. Since then, he has also been Foreign Minister, and now helms the Home Affairs Ministry and Ministry of Law.


Throughout his career, Mr Shanmugam has made a name as a straight talker, never shying away from strong statements on issues ranging from foreign policy to terrorism and fake news to the challenges facing Singapore as a whole.


He went “On the Record” with Bharati Jagdish about governing Singapore today, some of the legal policies he has made headlines for and maintaining the electorate's trust.


But first, they spoke about his assessment of how politics has evolved in the almost three decades he has spent as a politician.


K Shanmugam: I think the basics do not change. What is politics about? It is about representing the people, having a system of governance and government that ultimately leads to a better life. This does not change. Politics is about understanding the people’s needs, projecting ahead the challenges, the opportunities, trying to make sure that the systems, processes are in place, get it done, and also communication.

Communicate with the people to get them to buy into what you see as a vision and the future, and provide a secure environment for people to achieve their full potential. So that does not change.


The challenges appear in different forms. The opportunities appear in different forms. The challenge of communication gets changed but the underlying central aim of what politics should be about does not change.

Read more at http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...y-will-9032878

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Halimah ‘thinking about’ entering race to be president

By Kelly Ng

Published: 11:40 PM, July 16, 2017

Updated: 9:39 AM, July 17, 2017



SINGAPORE — Speaker of Parliament Halimah Yacob said yesterday for the first time that she is considering throwing her hat in the ring in the coming presidential race — but will have to consult her family members and colleagues first.

“I’ve been thinking about it (running for elected presidency) — it needs a bit of time to think (it over),” she said.

“But I must say at this moment, I’ve a lot of duties I have to perform as Speaker (and) as a Member of Parliament. Those duties are also very dear and very important to me.”

Speaking to reporters at an event in Marsiling-Yew Tee Group Representation Constituency, the 62-year-old stressed that the Elected Presidency (EP) was a “very heavy responsibility and important institution”.

“So it’s not something that one should take lightly. The duties are really also heavy duties,” she said.

Mdm Halimah has decided to share her “thought processes” because she has been posed the question many times by Singaporeans in and beyond her constituency, many of whom have encouraged her to contest.

“I’m really, really deeply honoured, and also deeply humbled by the many Singaporeans who have asked me on so many different occasions from all walks of life,” she said.


continue reading here : http://www.todayonline.com/singapore...e-be-president

Madam President in the making ? :rolleyes:

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Li Shengwu, Lee Wei Ling 'surprised' AGC is looking into his FB post criticising Singapore's court system

By Valerie Koh

Published: 11:45 AM, July 17, 2017

Updated: 1:48 PM, July 17, 2017



SINGAPORE – Mr Li Shengwu, the eldest son of Mr Lee Hsien Yang, and his aunt, Dr Lee Wei Ling expressed surprise on Monday (July 17) that the Attorney-General’s Chambers (AGC) is looking into a Facebook post by Mr Li criticising the Republic's court system over the weekend.

On Saturday (July 15), Mr Li, a Harvard academic, posted a link to a Wall Street Journal article on the 38 Oxley Road dispute involving his father, his aunt Dr Lee Wei Ling and his uncle Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.

He described the article as a “good” summary, and likened the public disagreements over his late grandfather’s house as a "political crisis".

In the same post, Mr Li added a second link to a New York Times commentary alleging media censorship in Singapore, published in April 03, 2010 and wrote: “Keep in mind, of course, that the Singapore Government is very litigious and has a pliant court system. This constrains what the international media can usually report.”

In response to media queries, an AGC spokesperson said: “AGC is aware of the post and is looking into the matter.”

On Monday, in a public Facebook post, Mr Li said he was "somewhat surprised" that his last post had triggered a response. He clarified that the post in question was set to be seen by "friends only" and not deleted as reported.

He also said: "I'm surprised that the Singapore Government is so petty. Would they also like to trawl my private Facebook feed for seditious vacation photos?"

His aunt, Dr Lee Wei Ling, also expressed surprise on Monday at the "negative reaction" from the AGC over "a private post".

She added: "Is there a Government servant whose duty is to follow the Facebook activity of all people related to (Lee) Hsien Yang and I, including our private musings. Also, what Shengwu posted is a common topic amongst Singaporeans who are well informed. Is this not an example of 'Big Brother government'. Perhaps it is a case of "if the hat fits, take it."

This is not the first time that Mr Li has commented on the family dispute over the Oxley Road house.

Last month, he said on Facebook that over the last few years, his immediate family had become increasingly worried about what he alleged as a lack of checks on abuse of power.

In a subsequent post, he said that he did not intend to go into politics, adding: “I believe that it would be bad for Singapore if any third-generation Lee went into politics. The country must be bigger than one family.”

The Lee family dispute settled down two weeks ago, after Mr Lee Hsien Yang and Dr Lee Wei Ling said that they welcomed their brother’s offer to manage their disagreement privately. This followed a two-day Parliament debate on the matter.


continue reading here : http://www.todayonline.com/singapore...s-court-system


The next generation .

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Those people in power now is already a crisis

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SDP highlights double standard by AGC in its action with Li Shengwu and Lee Hsien Loong

Posted on 2017-07-17 by The Online Citizen



In response to the recent statement made by the Attorney-General's Chamber on Mr Li Sheng Wu's private Facebook post, Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) calls on the AGC to show even-handedness in the matter by also looking into the allegations made against PM Lee.

On Saturday, Mr Li, who is the eldest son of Mr Lee Hsien Yang and grandson of late Lee Kuan Yew, made a private Facebook post on 15 July with a link to an article by Wall Street Journal. He wrote:


If you've been watching the latest political crisis in Singapore from a distance, but would like a summary, this is a good one. (Keep in mind, of course, that the Singapore government is very litigious and has a pliant court system. This constrains what the international media can usually report. - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/04/opinion/04pubed.html)

Subsequently on Monday, AGC reportedly issued a statement saying it is aware of the post and is looking into the matter in response to media queries.


SDP noted that AGC has not responded to its letter sent 10 days ago on 7 July 2017, where the party called on it to investigate charges of abuse of powers by PM Lee Hsien Loong.PM Lee had been accused by his two siblings, Dr Lee Weiling and Mr Lee Hsien Yang of abusing his authority as PM for his personal agenda and was compelled to hold a debate at the Parliament on 3 & 4 July to clear his name. But in a disappointing turn of event, PM Lee cleared his name by declaring that there is no basis for the evidence and there is no proof.

The party wrote, "In contrast, the Chambers has reacted with lightning speed to a post made by Mr Li Shengwu, Lee Hsien Yang's son, on his private Facebook page."

It highlights that it is crucial that the AGC treats the cases without fear or favour as the manner in which it handles the cases, will determine the level of public confidence in Singapore's law enforcement agency.

Below is the full letter by SDP


The Attorney-General's Chambers (AGC) has not responded to the SDP's letter sent 10 days ago on 7 July 2017, where we called on it to investigate charges of abuse of powers by PM Lee Hsien Loong.

In contrast, the Chambers has reacted with lightning speed to a post made by Mr Li Shengwu, Lee Hsien Yang's son, on his private Facebook page. Mr Li had shared an article published by the Wall Street Journal and made a comment about Singapore's judicial system.



continue reading here : https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/201...e-hsien-loong/

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Halimah may be strongest EP candidate, say analysts



By Faris Mokhtar

Published: 4:00 AM, July 18, 2017




SINGAPORE — Speaker of Parliament Halimah Yacob will be a front-runner for the highest office in the land if she decides to throw her hat into the ring, said political analysts interviewed by TODAY.

Citing her long record of public service, they noted that voters of all races are familiar with her credentials, while the other two presidential hopefuls would have their work cut out seeking to appeal to Singaporeans outside of their community.

Nevertheless, Mdm Halimah — who said on Sunday that she was thinking about contesting in the polls — could be disadvantaged by her ties with the ruling People’s Action Party, the analysts said, should voters look for independence from the Government in a candidate. Some, like former Nominated Member of Parliament Calvin Cheng, have also questioned Mdm Halimah’s financial acumen, given that the Parliament Speaker does not have the responsibility of managing “huge billion-dollar budgets and hundreds to thousands of civil servants” like a Cabinet Minister.

While Mdm Halimah has yet to firm up her interest, Mr Farid Khan Kaim Khan, 62, chairman of marine service provider Bourbon Offshore Asia Pacific, and Second Chance Properties chief executive Salleh Marican, 67, have in the past month declared their intentions to run in the polls slated for September, if they are deemed eligible by the Presidential Elections Committee (PEC).

National University of Singapore political scientist Bilveer Singh said that among the three potential candidates, Mdm Halimah would be the “strongest” in the field because of her long track record in the public service.

Starting out as a lawyer, Mdm Halimah, 62, has spent 40 years in the public service, including over three decades in the National Trades Union Congress. Before she became Speaker of Parliament in 2013, she had served as Minister of State at the then-Ministry of Community Development, Youth and Sports. Dr Singh pointed out that Mdm Halimah has enjoyed solid support from her constituents since she first entered politics in 2001, winning four successive General Elections along the way.

Dr Alan Chong, an associate professor at the S Rajaratnam School of International Studies, noted that Mdm Halimah’s contributions to the labour movement also placed her in good stead, and she would be seen as being in touch with the ground.


continue reading here : http://www.todayonline.com/singapore...e-say-analysts


The propaganda machine working overtime .

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Thanks Bro. But really nothing new here for the 30%.

For the 70%, well... many speechless, many flabbergasted.. but still side for LHL.
Many reasons why 70% side for LHL:
1) Sweep under the carpet, never mind lah, stll good government as long don't affect my life/job can already
2) LHL shed tears leh in parlliament (crocodile tears)
3) LHL give his share to donation (ya.. the Pontius Pilate handwashing act, remember Nassim Jade)
4) GCT come out to speak and support LHL leh.. wah he so distinguish looking (ya but no cow sense to debate.. still say 'not my brother'.. real cock-head)

LHY and LWL not hero and heroine either. They tasted the sweet things by the MIW system (CEO twice with little or no business experience or acumen, the other Head Neuroscience with little or no medical accolades), now kenna the receiving end.. then they speak up. So, open eyes. They not hero. Anyway, they will survive with Cluny road house and other monetary inheritances.

Nothing will really change in the short-term. In medium term, things might differ not bcos of Lee saga, but more bcos of Presidential Elections racialism issues.

Rock On Bro :cool: